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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Gallow and me gatri on

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911 1973 a disaster even greater than

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that which occurred in 2001 took place

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the 9/11 hijackers mercifully failed to

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hit the White House but in Chile the

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bombers didn't miss president Salvador a

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yende was murdered in his Palace

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clutching the AK-47 given to him by the

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leader of the Cuban Revolution Fidel

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Castro in the Chile in 9/11 senators and

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congressmen were slain as were tens of

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thousands of their supporters many of

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them tortured and murdered in Santiago's

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national football stadium leaving much

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blood on the grass we mentioned Chile

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not just because it's the 911 United

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States forgot and not just because it's

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the reason our first guest is in Britain

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to begin with his parents are Pino

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torture survivors and came here as

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Exiles but moreover because some say

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that the US is currently trying to

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repeat Chile in Venezuela which happens

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to be his particular area of expertise

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he is Pablo navaretti a celebrated

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filmmaker and journalist and he joins us

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now Pablo thanks for doing so you've got

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a movie coming out soon The Hip Hop

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Revolution that's certain to pack them

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in I'm not sure if I'm A hip-hop sort of

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guy but I'm certainly up for revolution

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tell us about the film

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um hip-hop Revolution is um a

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documentary um that that looks at a trip

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that I took with um Loki quite

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celebrated political rapper after making

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a first film about Venezuela which was a

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general look at the 10 years of the

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Chavez government trying to look trying

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to address some of the inadequacies of

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the misrepresentations of the mainstream

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media that one is called inside

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reolution called inside the revolution

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that came out in 2009 and uh I've made a

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feature on Colombia but I always wanted

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to go back and look at this particular

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Collective of hip-hop revolutionaries

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activists who used hip-hop as a means to

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uh inspire people in their neighborhood

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to talk politics to educate so this film

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is a trip with Loki and jod McIntyre a

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young

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activist and we went to Venezuela um and

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spent some time there how is it possible

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that Colombia which is still a

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playground of death squads and uh if not

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dictatorship certainly authoritarian

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government now gets such a smooth ride

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in fact is more or less left entirely

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alone in the western media whilst

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Venezuela which has transformed the

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lives of the majority of its citizens

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for the better is constantly picked on

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not least by the so-called liberal media

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I'm thinking of the Guardian Rory Carl

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whoever he is hope I never meet him I

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must tell you that he better hope I

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never meet him why is why does that

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happen it's a very good question and one

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that I've asked myself on many occasions

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um you know Venezuela as you say a

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country that it's important not to

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idealize but there have been massive

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Transformations previously excluded

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sectors have been bought into the

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political process uh you go there

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there's debates on socialism on

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participation Community radio stations

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you know plethora of activities

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Grassroots activity and I've been to

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Colombia and you have um social leaders

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of most amount of unionists killed every

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year billions in funding by the US

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government secret military a by the

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British a recent Scandal where 6,000

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civilians have been murdered by an army

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funded by the west and you'd think that

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this was an issue that the Western media

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might want to cover yet not only do they

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not cover it but they concentrate their

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ey on on Venezuela Chavez dictator no

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freedom of expression and I think in if

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you look at the coverage of Venezuela

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and in Colombia you get a real insight

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motivations um of the of the western

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corporate media and state funded media

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and you know it's a it's a question that

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I would love them to answer why they

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feel they can ignore the hum the gross

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human rights violations in Colombia in

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the neighboring country in the

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neighboring country and and basically

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serve as a as a so boox for the

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political opposition in Venezuela to

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repeat every allegation that they want

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you see I have no doubt why Western

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governments would want to do that what I

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don't quite understand is by what

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process of

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osmosis uh all these journalists

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including liberal ones suddenly wield

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their guns in the same direction there

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is a deep ignorance for example on Latin

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America in Britain um I did meet Rory

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Venezuela I was working for John Pilger

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as his researcher um on his democra on

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his documentary the war and democracy

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ter which looks at um you know Us's

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interventions in countless uh Latin

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American countries Chile etc etc uh and

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he rang me because he wanted help with

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contacts and you know he he was someone

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that obviously he didn't speak Spanish

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which I did find very shocking I guess

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he didn't know anything about Latin

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America and I perhaps rather naively was

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a bit surprised by all this thinking you

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know the guardian a very established

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newspaper would send someone who didn't

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speak Spanish and didn't really know

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anything about Latin America he's

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British to be their first Latin America

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correspondent in 25 years with the last

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probably followed the ancient rule uh of

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merely speaking louder in English when

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speaking to uh foreigners now let's talk

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about your life for a minute I'm

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fascinated by it because Chile was

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something extremely important to me I

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followed every day of the crisis led to

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the overthrow of aend and the massacres

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and so on uh afterwards here you are

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speaking to us in an English accent but

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still your heart is in Latin America uh

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and uh not just in Chile because of

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course one of the new phenomena is the

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Latin americanism is that is that a fair

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summary of where you are your heart's

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there I think a large part of my heart

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is feels Latin American rather than

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Chilean you know I've I've only been to

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Chile four times my parents were banned

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from going until democracy forly

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returned in in 19

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1990 um I've spent a lot of time in

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Venezuela I've traveled to Colombia I've

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traveled to pretty much all the

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countries in Latin America and certainly

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wave of pan Latin americanism that sweep

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that has swept the continent of which

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serving as a catalyst for and actually

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when we were filming um hip-hop

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Revolution it was also the founding uh

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meeting of CAC the new Regional body um

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the first time ever that the region has

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has come together to have a region of

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body Latin America and the Caribbean

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except the US and Canada and I think

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these are sort of historic um

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organizations uh and they reflect a

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spirit of the times where the US has

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been so Brazen in its attempts to

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interfere that you know there's a new

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bold leadership across the region that

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says enough is enough uh um and we can

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do things our own ways and we you know

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it's time to really try and stand up to

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the to this bully in the north so so

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yeah I you know I I feel that this this

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is a a good thing and it's something

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that I I well it's a good thing for

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Latin America it's also a very good

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thing for the world of course which

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needs new polls uh to come onto the

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international stage the unipolar world

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not only is over but has to be over and

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is was perilously dangerous uh while it

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existed But Central to that uh pan Latin

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americanism was of course the Larger

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than Life figure of Hugo Chavez may God

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have mercy upon him he is gone now uh to

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what extent is the process thus

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endangered on the principle that there

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are not two Hugo Chavez is neither in

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Venezuela nor in the

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world well obviously um even his most uh

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strident critics admitted that a Chavez

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was a larger than life character his

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Charisma was overwhelming even uh and

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they also feared him because of his of

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of what you know how charismatic um he

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was and obviously there are a two Oro

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Chavez's but I think again with what I

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want to do with our first film was to

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depersonalize everything because here

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the see Obsession about the individual

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actually because it serves to Mak it

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fragile it makes yeah it makes it all

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about the individual um personalizes the

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process these are historic processes in

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Latin America that have been you know

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drowned in Blood by the US on numerous

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occasions but that you know people's

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desire for Freedom this is what one of

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the Venezuelan a friend and and a

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community activist who I interviewed for

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my first film said all we want is to be

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free and you know he summarized what

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what it was that they were about and I

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asked him to summarize what had been

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achieved in 10 years and he said

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Consciousness and inclusion so you know

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so much has been done yes there are lots

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of challenges especially now in

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Venezuela again with the new renewed

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sort of fascist um Onslaught that there

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is to remove the government again

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supported by the US um it is an attempt

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to replicate Chile 911 1972 course I

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mean yeah and it's and Chile is a replic

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uh was an attempt to replicate Guatemala

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and Guatemala was a attempt to replicate

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previous governments that went in Latin

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unfortunately the US does not want to

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allow governments who want to be

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independent uh to pursue policies that

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benefit the broad

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majorities uh because of whatever their

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corporate you know allies who who put

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pressure on them but you know Nixon said

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we will make the economy scream and just

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on Saturday I was in Manchester showing

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some films at this minor wonderful minor

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Center and we watched the Battle of

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Chile uh an incredible documentary

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Trilogy by patrici wman very celebrated

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Chilean director and watching it again

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and and seeing the shortages the how

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food shortages were done political

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strikes the CIA funded strikes you look

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at Venezuela and it's you know the

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parallels of striking the replica right

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down to the lack of toilet paper exactly

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the and in Chile the day after the coup

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all this so-called the the food the the

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shortages just all appeared again and I

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turning food away that we don't want

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goods in this they wanted to create the

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conditions so that people would feel

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uneasy um you know the psychological

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issues Chile before the coup they were

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saying remember Jakarta they were

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writing think you know trying to scare

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people about Indonesia in Venezuela they

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were telling when I was there they were

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telling children at universities that

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they would have to go to Cuba forced to

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study in Cuba so that you know they they

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use a range of tactics um literally

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manufacturing the fear fear yeah but I

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think you know the positive thing is

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that it looks like in Venezuela that the

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the the the process will continue um and

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it's a testament to the fact that it's

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not just about one man it's about

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Ordinary People hip-hop activists

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Community workers old ladies who have

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you know as say Consciousness and

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inclusion and feel that they have

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something that's worth defending I'm

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going to get practice it is it dance

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does is hip-hop dancing or just

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listening hip-hop you can just listen

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you can listen but you don't have to

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dance you don't have to dance all right

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I'll practice hip-hop Revolution make a

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date coming up after the break we're

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looking at Britain's greatest invention

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the national service and talking to

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another celebrated filmmaker about how

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it's under threat of being murdered in

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the Intensive Care wart in its 67th year

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we'll be right

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back welcome back to the Sputnik Britain

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as the first industrial country has many

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great achievements to its name but none

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greater than the Innovative socialist

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idea within the capitalist world of a

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National Health Service free at the

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point of need and funded by progressive

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taxation we've all had cause to be

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grateful for it and with a wife in the

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late stages of pregnancy gatri and me

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have all our hopes pinned on it but it's

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in dire danger of being strangled by

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underfunding and creeping remorseless

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privatization our next guest is making

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the crowdfunded documentary film selloff

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which charts The Conspiracy to murder

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the National Health Service his name is

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Peter Bach and I'm glad to say he joins

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us uh now Peter uh uh I suppose people

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like me uh could be accused of crying

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wolf on this subject I've been talking

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about the remorseless creeping

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privatization of the NHS since the

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1980s am I exagger when I say it's in

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danger of being strangled to death well

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I think the National Health Service that

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existed when you were I think it was 10

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when you joined the labor party was a

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robust very much loved as I think it

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still is today institution and now it's

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unrecognizable I don't know how it's

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been done so stealthily I don't know how

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it is that the public have missed this

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trick but essentially what we have now

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is an NHS that has technically been

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abolished tell me why

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well the or how rather well the

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responsibility and again you must

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remember um from my point of view I've

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learned all this in the course of making

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a film but the responsibility that was

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always held by the Secretary of State

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for health was the nation's Health MH

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and somewhere my be the founder said if

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a bed pan Falls in bedel in the South

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Wales valleys yes its Echo will be heard

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in the chamber of the House of Commons

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because the minister will have to answer

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for it well it's Echo is being heard by

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me every time I think about the subject

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but I'm amazed how little the echo seems

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to have resounded in the ears of so many

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others but going back to the state of

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the Health Service the Secretary of

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State for health his responsibility her

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responsibility was always the nation's

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health and that has been removed or as

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the public interest lawyer Peter rodri

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says in the film it's been

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untethered in his wonderful Welsh tones

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um and this is the scary thing there is

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no longer a responsibility there are

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people a foot trying to reverse this

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people like Professor Allison Pollock

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yes she's a very great expert exactly

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and she features in the film and is a

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great help to me and therefore the

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public because as I've just said my

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ignorance uh really LED my my my

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confidence to go through the film if I

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had approached it as an expert I think

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you would have seen a weak rather

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pompous film so how did you come across

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this top I well it was it was a a very

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personal uh story and in in so much as

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as I I think the personal is always

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better and what happened was I was

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approached by a group of doctors and

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with an element of mystery I was invited

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to a basement flat in n's court and it

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was snowing and the stone steps were

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very slippery and I remember thinking

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perhaps nervously because I didn't quite

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know what was going to happen with all

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these doctors I knew were way waiting

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for me I thought if I fall if I crack my

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head how are you going to explain what

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you were doing in a basement hour Court

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well there is that as well but what I

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was actually thinking less playfully and

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perhaps I should have been more playful

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was that there were all these doctors

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inside who would have been able to help

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me but in fact they didn't really help

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me because what they did was they

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shocked me and they told me like

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desperate people what was happening to

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something I had never given the time of

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day to and they were highly seasoned

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doctors time honored practitioners

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great people who believed strongly in

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the essentially egalitarianism of the

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concept let alone the practicalities of

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the of the medical knowledge they had

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and they were broken some of them and

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they looked at me as somebody who they

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knew was a one person kind of filmmaker

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who didn't come with a cumbersome you

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know politics of a Broadcasting Company

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necessarily different obviously than

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from how you were going about it and

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they had the savviness to know that

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perhaps if I could find a way of telling

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that story it might be a useful means of

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trying to get across to people what they

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felt is not getting across and I believe

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that is because of mainstream media and

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I have one of my 10 chapters which is

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why media and mainstream media has let

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down the public in this story why would

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politicians seek to abolish what is

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overwhelmingly regarded in the country

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as our finest achievement the jewel in

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our crown uh and especially at a time

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when in the United States or be it very

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peace meal Obama is trying to move in

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the direction we used to be in yes there

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is an irony because uh to mention

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Professor Allison Pollock again she sees

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the engine for all of this actually

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originating from the United States which

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meanwhile is doing what it can to change

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its system but um it would appear to me

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a very simple case of neoliberalism gone

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mad whereby without any proof uh the

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belief is that you can save money but of

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course the expectations are that

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administrative costs alone including

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insurance and such like will mean what

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is 7% say now of our 100 billion pound

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annual Health budget will will become

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30% to Administration and the great

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mistake and again this is fresh

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information to me so I speak with

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genuine shock myself the great mistake

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everyone seems to be making is they

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think you can save money by privatizing

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it and you can't and I'm sure you know

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from your point of view this is one of

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those well-worn arguments there Peter at

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the beginning uh uh when Mrs thater came

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to power knowing the price of everything

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and the value of nothing we defended the

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National Health Service in terms of its

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values but actually looking back on it

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we could equally have defended the

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National Health Service in terms of its

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price because there's nothing cheaper

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about privatization neither of the

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railways or of the utility companies or

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of the National Health Service all

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you're doing is actually moving money

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from the Frontline uh staff and patients

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to administrators and fat cats and chief

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Executives and all the rest is that what

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you found in your investigation yes I

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did and I also actually found that all

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the major political parties were

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complicit in it uh there was no way

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Blair started all this well Blair well

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John Major and John and Blair Blair very

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much so and uh I in fact one of the

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doctors I speak to who is a marvelous

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clinical oncologist based in Middlesboro

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who reminds us of that phrase that when

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Thatcher was asked what her greatest

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achievement was and answered Tony Blair

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in a sense his perpetuation of the

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privatization and for example the pfis

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is a classic case one of the 10 themes

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that the film covers um that's what I've

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come across is this deadend sequence of

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places that I can't go down really

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without slamming into resistance which

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is why it strikes me that any sensible

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political party if it actually stood up

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and admitted the importance of this

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National Health Service it would be a

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vote winner indeed uh I was for 5 years

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the MP for the area including the Royal

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London Hospital a misnomer of course

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because you'd never find anybody Royal

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in the Royal London Hospital and and its

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PFI when you broke it down the cost that

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the country is going to pay for the next

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half century for the private funding of

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this hospital it was costing us a

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million pound per bed extraord per year

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amazing a million pounds per extra bed

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of course if we had stayed faithful to

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the principles that nban founded the

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National Health Service on we'd had a

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better service and the that had stood up

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for it would have been rewarded publicly

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so I'm still not clear why they do it

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well exactly and another reason for

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continued lack of clarity on your part

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would be that those who say oh it's a

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socialist Mantra and essentially it has

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to be ripped apart and slapped with the

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real world forget that actually it's

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egalitarianism meant that the really

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wealthy had free medicine too and uh um

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it was by no means something that was

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exclusively you know for those of us

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without um I am confused still to this

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day why people don't wake up to it yeah

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but uh I I well maybe your film will be

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a big wake up call well I hope so I I do

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hope so what it does do is it's it makes

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itself aware of the fact that any

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documentaries we're seeing presently

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some of them very well made about

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medicine are single issues and you

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perhaps half an hour long and my film

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does attempt to tell the whole story cuz

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I think that there are 10 Central planks

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all surrounding this abolition

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dismantlement whatever we wish to call

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it and you can't tell the full story

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without telling and explaining each of

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those planks together and there are

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those of course who think um there's a

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conspiracy and the uh the management

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Consultants uh all sorts of people are

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standing to benefit so much because as I

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have somebody explaining big business

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Peter yeah

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if you get 7% or 17% of 100

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billion that's really big money that's

549
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big business very big money I mean uh

550
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that's I mean you could choose you go

551
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into property speculation or going into

552
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Healthcare Management and now we have

553
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things like clinical commissioning

554
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groups whereby the public were fed the

555
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line that were giving the power back to

556
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the GPS but of course the GPS have no

557
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experience of marketing and business and

558
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purchasing they buy in business people

559
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to do it for them they do and of course

560
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you know that there's a lot of pressure

561
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being put on doctors who've already got

562
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quite enough we know the doctor is well

563
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paid but what we don't often acknowledge

564
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sufficiently is that they're overworked

565
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and I think also there's talk among some

566
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of the doctors of a deliberate attempt

567
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to make them look like a failing

568
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Enterprise yeah yeah set up to fill and

569
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the morale is very poor because of that

570
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how can we help your film how can we

571
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help fund it well it would be a

572
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marvelous thing if people could could

573
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direct their attention to start join

574
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that's St a r t join where there is uh a

575
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direction to the the film it's selloff

576
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it's NHS I have put up there a fresh

577
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trailer that I've just made because I

578
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have I've seen it it's very very good

579
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very powerful so it's

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581
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stjo.org you think through the portals

582
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of social media what's rattling G so

583
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what's happening in Venezuela and how do

584
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we know wake up UK answers I have

585
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actually no idea because I do not trust

586
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the source of information regarding

587
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:47,760
Venezuela anyway L Tweeter says the same

588
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as happened in Egypt they want the

589
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overthrow of democratically elected

590
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government to which our own beloved

591
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William heg then

592
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responds the William heg our beloved

593
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Willi

594
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okay if Venezuela has oil gas or opium

595
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:08,120
we'll give them democracy too very good

596
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well of course AR is the uh proper

597
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:12,720
source to follow events in Venezuela

598
00:25:10,919 --> 00:25:15,440
there is there is a

599
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conspiracy uh probably not centrally

600
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,559
organized but there's a conspiracy to do

601
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:23,240
down Venezuela it is the biggest replica

602
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:24,760
of Chile and and and for obvious

603
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,279
material reasons it's the biggest

604
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:31,440
supplier of oil to the United States

605
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about the NHS John WBY answers that it

606
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was the greatest postwar social

607
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Innovation currently being sold piece by

608
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:41,399
piece to leeches by our elected

609
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,360
officials well that's it for this week

610
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uh which sadly means that's the end of

611
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the show do keep in touch with us on

612
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Twitter at rtor Sputnik and on Facebook

613
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you can like us on Sputnik on Russia

614
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today it's goodbye from me gri and for

615
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,279
me George Galloway it's been marvelous

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oh

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